What are you thoughts on if someone were to say that elementary teachers should be the ones teaching newcomers how to sp

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Group
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What are you thoughts on if someone were to say that elementary teachers should be the ones teaching newcomers how to speak English?
I had someone compare teaching ELLs to teaching a native language prekindergarten child and that you should start with letter sounds.
I argued that letters sounds and how to read words is not teaching a child how to speak English. The people in charge seem to think that ELL pullout services for these students (elementary level) isn’t a priority because the general education teachers can use Google translate and find time to teach them English on the side.
Charlotte
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Post by Charlotte »

These people need a clue
Karen
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Post by Karen »

Ugh… We do so much more than teach letters and sounds, even at the kindergarten level.
Svetlana
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Post by Svetlana »

A teenage newcomer and a 5 year-old are not comparable in brain development. Isn't it obvious?
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Post by Gina »

Reading is part of learning a language and I think it comes to the specific child and what they need. If you have a newcomer who has already learned how to read in their home language...I think once they know the English sounds, they will be reading quickly. They already know how to decode...so they will apply that to English words and spending too much time on letter sounds and decoding is not the best use of the English teacher's time. It's not like pre-k at all.
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Post by Lucy »

It sounds like they are misrepresenting what is currently being suggested. From my understanding, the current suggestion is for the regular education teachers to be ESL trained to help the kiddos get support without being pulled out of the regular education classroom too much. This can be a struggle if you have a class with a lot of ESL with various languages, but it can work if done well and the teacher has the resources and training. I am a Kindergarten teacher who is currently taking college classes to get my ESL endorsement so I am by no means an expert. This is what is being presented in my current class. It is also why my district is paying for teachers to get the ESL endorsement.
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Post by Lisa »

I think we should drop those people in a first grade classroom in a non-English speaking country and see how they do!
Nicole
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Post by Nicole »

This is what my dissertation is on. I’d love to hear more- anonymously- if that helps. I’m always looking for anecdotes like this to support my research
Heather
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Post by Heather »

Ok, *inhale*, we ALL help educate the students by creating an environment of learning that as accessible to all categories of students. Sheltered learning. Differentiated learning. As ELL teachers we are language learning specialists, support staff. We are not core curriculum teachers, paras, or intervention specialists.
All teachers need to strive to be culturally sensitive professionals and find ways to meet the needs of our students.
ELL instruction involves strengthening and direct instruction in all four modalities: reading, writing, listening, speaking. The classroom environments where students find themselves for most of them day give them access to core curriculum--and a means to practice these four modalities.
An ELL student will take 5-7 years to reach parity with native English-speaking peers.
Comparing elementary ELLs to preschoolers is offensive as it assumes lack of language means lack of intelligence, life experience, and cognitive reasoning. Nope. Just means that foundational skills to be covered while they are accessing grade-level material.

However! Do I have a problem with unilaterally using the same materials for all students? Yes. Equity, not equality. A newcomer in high school has no business being dropped in the midst of Shakespeare. But! There are still ways to differentiate teaching to meet student needs and cover cognitive skills that are targeted.
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Post by Stephanie »

Google translate is a handy crutch in a fix, but it is not a research based way to teach a child. If someone suggests that as an only modification to instruction ask them what research is it based on. Krashen? Chomsky? VanPatten? Vygotsky? Cummins?...bull feces?
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